From videos on The 3rd Secret of Fatima to being Red Pilled on Pope Francis , the TNT show (as it has recently been nicknamed) is incredibly insightful and engages all of the questions most Catholics don’t … RoP [. It’s an important intellectual matter and it merits dispassionate debate. I would never frag ya[.] Dr Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon interview Patrick Coffin on the Pontificate of Pope Francis and discuss how they each came to swallow the red pill that Pope Francis was not merely unclear but … However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic circles regarding Marshall and Gordon (taking sides, calling the other side uncharitable, etc) and that, somehow, fellow internet Catholic Michael Voris of Church Militant got involved. You get the picture. “Nature is asking for vengeance because of man, and she trembles with dread at what must happen to the earth stained with crime. Mind your business Steve [Skojec]. About Timothy Gordon Timothy Gordon holds degrees in philosophy, literature, history, and law. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. ], Did you see how many folks idiotically assumed that I haven’t been reaching out as a brother in Jan/Feb/March? Or Actions and Consequences? (1:47 PM), There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. Timothy (words in green henceforth, and Taylor’s in blue) tweeted on April 13th ( at 8:06 PM and 8:13 PM): Just defending myself with the truth. Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! All of us, me included. There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. Not just VC2. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of … And that’s just what it is, guessing. I found out today that the peace sign is semaphore. It’s quite strange, no? Here philosopher Timothy Gordon forcefully disagrees, arguing that while anti-Catholic bias kept them from admitting their reliance on Aristotle, Aquinas, and the early Jesuits, our Protestant and Enlightenment Founding Fathers secretly held Catholic views about politics and nature. Not gonna tweet anymore on this, Agreed. He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz I’m not Trad enuf for biz expsn. (9:16 PM), Let’s have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. . But at first disagreement (my critical review of his book, Infiltration) I was immediately banned from his Twitter page and have been the fodder for his (rather juvenile and petty) insults ever since. (1:49 PM), That’s heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. (4-13-20, 12:16 AM). (9:16 PM), To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his family’s reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. He has taught at Southern Californian community colleges. For context, here is one of the podcasts they did a while ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. The good part is that it’s NEVER too late to make up[.] Can’t be sensitive or grudge-holding over some of these memes. Answer: They disagree about the SSPX and stopped being as good friends. Meaning inheres in text, not intention. (3:13 PM), It seems possible to do with some but not most SSPX attendees, namely the ones w/o the schismatic attitude How do you unite the clans with those who call us FSSP “bootlickers,” a common attitude among SSPX ever since FSSP broke off. He didn’t. (10:25 AM), A) she’s calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. 2 or 3 of them. Tolkien tier . That's it? Hello Everyone! FOR THE RECORD: HE ENDED TNT. but for all “negative” comments about them. . Tremble, earth, and you who proclaim yourselves as serving Jesus Christ and who, on the inside, only adore yourselves, tremble, for God will hand you over to His enemy, because the holy places are in a state of corruption. I reached out to Tim this morning. It’s really disappointing to see two Allies so publicly argue. (3:02 PM), [DorotaG had tweeted (4-12-20, 11:01 PM): “My bishop in endangering my soul and the boot licking FSSP is nowhere to offer a real mass. per month. There’s an unimagined gap between FSSP and SSPX[.] But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIII’s IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis, Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. Dave’s position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. I was being snubbed. Cancel Culture? He never said. (3:17 PM), Imagine being me in this situation. Let’s take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? I’m blocking the 3 Gordon’s because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). $5. . Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Will do whatever I can. [2:41 PM), Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. . Dr Taylor Marshall. Don’t act as if fringe groups and their leaders aren’t the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. There’s always room to come@back together. Dwight Longenecker tweeted similarly: When Catholics set themselves up to judge and condemn popes and bishops its not long before they are judging and condemning one another. He won’t call back. Thank you! Don’t act as if fringe groups and their leaders aren’t the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. (4:22 PM), PS: this isn’t a big deal. People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months, Did you see how many folks idiotically assumed that I haven’t been reaching out as a brother in Jan/Feb/March? Acta non verba. He was acting as a good father. The present video begins the actual content-review of the Marshall/Gordon podcast. A bunch of the mob on here defend your position, but say they choose FSSP over SSPX every time, THIS is the real issue. And it ain’t gonna be clan chieftains Chris Ferrara or Steve Skojec or John-Henry Westen or Michael Voris or Patrick Coffin (who all preside over their own echo-chambers) either. Show me where I called you a single name. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL, Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. God forgive me for anything negative or incorrect that I have ever said about the SSPX. Fr. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, I’m sorry. I certainly do not want to cause an uprising … Meaning inheres in text, not intention. Now it’s happening to the one who was his partner. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon are two Catholics who have recently been producing many great videos on just about every hot topic in the Catholic Church. (9:54 PM), Just gotta retry each day for unity. Gotta be two-sided though. (If recent history is a guide, I won’t get a reply. (2:00 PM), Yes there’s a new theology that needs to be rejected. (9:16 PM), My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to the rebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. Wherever it leads. (4-14-20, 4:59 PM). I read somewhere that it has something to do with the Society of St. Pius X, a group in an "irregular situation" regarding canonical status due to the founder's excommunication, but I'm not sure how exactly involved they are in the Marshall vs Gordon thing. Radical Catholic Reactionaries, Christian Apologetics Methodology: Similarities with Science, Dismantling Whitaker’s Sola Scriptura Arguments. Catholics are drama queens, People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. I said I’ve reached out several times in the New Year w/ scarcely a response. (11:39 PM), God bless FSSP! Only dad does. We have to be able to have discussion, Nonsense. Another wrong SSPX talking point. Sorry Gordon’s, but this seems to be the only way. Get updates from Biblical Evidence for Catholicism delivered straight to your inbox. I just don’t want this dragging out in public. I await your reply, Taylor… It’s sophistical to claim (ever) that it’s too late for civility. Just ask them, JP2 indeed spread a false ecumenism but wasn’t trying to kill the TLM entirely. We are thrilled to bring Dr. Taylor Marshall and Mr. Timothy Gordon, the co-hosts of the TnT show, on board for an edifying discussion... Programa: Right on Point Podcast. per month. His cohort in over 100 videos, Timothy Gordon, publicly spoke out against this, and all hell has broken loose in reactionary ranks, and we have a civil war. Hello Everyone! For those who don't know, they are both in the traditionalist Catholic blogosphere (in an extremely brief summary, traditionalist Catholics are very conservative and prefer Catholic rituals done as they were … Why all the handwringing about civility? Reply to Self-Described "Traditionalist" Steven O'Reilly, Apostasy of Disciples (Jn 6:66) & Protestant Commentaries, St. Augustine’s Communion (Standing, in the Hand). Irrelevant. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of the Catholic … Listen to 114: The Slow Death of Manhood—Dr. Outward unity among the reactionaries has been fairly solid, since all alike detest and despise the pope (“my enemy’s enemy is my friend.”). It’s destructive and wrong. Mr. Gordon presently resides in Central California, where he writes, speaks for the Federalist Society, and clerks for Kuhs & Parker. (8:33 PM), Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). (with Timothy Gordon) - Oct 24, 2019 114: The Slow Death of Manhood—Dr. For $5/month, you will have access to exclusive content not available elsewhere. Taylor Marshall vs. Timothy Gordon (Hatfields & McCoys Redux). Petty, self-serving, vindictive, egomaniacal acts like releasing sensitive private 411 about my household. He’s got a good heart and we’ve both had a hard year. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. God forgive me for anything negative or incorrect that I have ever said about the SSPX. Major pattern. I love dialogue; I care about Taylor; most of all, I love the truth. Acta non verba. This happened on Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. I would never frag ya, Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. He made it sound like he called back, Steve. (4-14-20, 4:56 PM), I don’t think you get it. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon, an episode of The Patrick Coffin Show | Interviews with influencers | Commentary about culture | Tools for transformation, easily on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. (1:53 PM), The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. Earlier still, on April 12th, Gordon tweeted: I’m not asserting with certainty that SSPX is in a formal schism. I used to believe this nonsense as well. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, I’m sorry. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven[. (4-14-20, 4:34 PM), I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. Calling FSSP “bootlicking” (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. Timothy Gordon is creating Catholic books & commentary . It’s quite strange, no? That is pretty much it. The original story was that he was apparently leaving to focus on his own podcast series or something like it and that it was a relatively amicable departure. He’s worse than Mark Shea. (4:02 PM), Why all the handwringing about civility? The attempts to throw Dave under the bus are silly. Wherever it leads. (4:06 AM), Photo credit: Thomas Splettstoesser (8-15-06): atomic structure of profilin in comlex with actin, PDB code 2BTF, cartoon representation, rendered with PyMol [public domain / Wikimedia Commons], Please also opt me in for Exclusive Offers from Patheos’s Partners, Famed Atheist Champion Antony Flew Became a Deist, "I always had trouble with the difference between "imply" and "infer" and have to remind ...", "It doesn't amaze me at all. R4R #14: Taylor Marshall on InfiltrationThe Retrogrades sit down with Taylor Marshall and discuss a wide variety of topics!TnT Tim's debates with Trent HornTaylor Marshall's book Infiltration: ht... – Listen to R4R #14: Taylor Marshall on Infiltration by Timothy Gordon Rules for Retrogrades Podcast instantly on your tablet, phone or browser - no downloads needed. Irrelevant. (3:04 PM), I don’t believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. Italian Stallion tier. Canal: Right on Point Podcast. You bet. We read the Vatican docs for their original public meaning—that which was ratified by a vote—not their presumptive intent—which isn’t certainly ascertainable[.] Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. I feel like he and Timothy Gordon just strike each other’s egos a little too much (though I don’t think it’s intentional). But now and then, a high-profile reactionary actually becomes more “diabolically self-consistent” (though further from the truth) and ventures over the line. I used to watch Dr. Taylor Marshall, a Catholic theologian and blogger, quite a bit and he used to do these podcasts with fellow Catholic theologian Timothy J. Gordon. (1:01 PM), Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. (5:07 PM), I’m not convinced SSPX is in schismatic! Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. Look at what the Church says on the matter: Debating an issue is fragging? I think it comes dangerously close. I think it comes dangerously close. I’ve been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander[.] Sorry Gordon’s, but this seems to be the only way. (8:50 PM), You bet. About Timothy Gordon. Dr Taylor Marshall examines the importance of Cardinal Ouellet and how Cardinal Muller has recently validated the account of Pope Francis canceling the investigation of Cardinal Murphy O’Conner. Garces teacher Timothy Gordon has some strong opinions about Black Lives Matter, about sexual orientation and about street violence, and they seem to have cost him his job. The pope is a valid pope, but only worthy to be bashed and lied about week in and week out. I guess Taylor Marshall ain’t Braveheart. (12:25 PM), JP2 indeed spread a false ecumenism but wasn’t trying to kill the TLM entirely. It’s kind of disappointing to see two allies argue like this. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Traditionalism vs. Thanks to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon for the chance to talk about my journey of wincing through this current papacy. This sounded very familiar. (12:11 AM), The attempts to throw Dave under the bus are silly. Neutral and objective. I used to watch Taylor Marshall constantly but every day now he has videos and podcasts coming out that seem to attempt to destroy Pope Francis. I can get over combat fast, cuz I’ve done a lot of literal and figurative fighting[.]. I’m saying that “formal adherence” to schismatic acts is a grave peril of attending the SSPX. (4-13-20, 12:52 PM), I reached out to [Timothy Gordon] this morning, actually. The ordinary form Mass is still valid, yet it is trashed all the time and regarded as “objectively inferior.” And Catholics who attend it are despised and looked down upon, as second-class Catholics. That’s heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. (4-14-20, 4:58 PM), It is fixable. I can’t fully access Taylor Marshall’s tweets because he blocked me, but I can get at some: I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. (10:31 AM), It’s a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. This is the second video of my series responding to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon.. (2:20 AM), My homeboy @SteveSkojec  (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually “schismatic attitude” in many/most attendees (but not all)[.] A subreddit to help you keep up to date with what's going on with reddit and other stuff. Church and ministry leadership resources to better equip, train and provide ideas for today's church and ministry leaders, like you. ], Update: called Taylor a little bit ago to wish Happy Easter Monday and bury the petty squabbles. Get thicker skin. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. Sounds a bit petty, but I have noticed there's a lot of division and debate in the Catholic blogosphere regarding the SSPX. Show me where I called you a single name. Moreover, since we are not in full communion with SSPX, receiving the Eucharist with them is a performed falsehood. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. (3:04 PM), Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. The latter of which was/is troubling and misleading[.] The Taylor Marshall Show Podcast is now also available on Spotify: Play “Taylor Marshall Show” inside Spotify. . There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. But the other fault lines inherent in such an arbitrary and quasi-schismatic movement were bound to come out sooner or later. Vatican II is a valid ecumenical council, yet it is trashed all the time and regarded as fundamentally less authoritative than Vatican I and (especially) Trent: even though Pope Benedict XVI (the bitterly disappointing former darling: because he resigned), writing in 1985, made it clear that Vatican II and Trent have precisely the same authority. I don't know what happened first, but since then, what little I have listened to from Dr. Marshall, Voris, and Gordon since then has not mentioned each other by name at all, telling me that things might not be so amicable. Not just VC2. For their good and mine and all of us, I’m officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. The Biblical Basis of Apologetics (Defense of Christianity). I’m asking this because I feel strongly about Pope Francis and the good work he is doing the world, he is bringing people together by not condemning people, by being Christllike. I used to believe this nonsense as well. Unfortunately, we have a number of chieftains, some with significant egos; and no William Wallace. It needs to stop. I’m fine. I am living my life and have no time for their judgments over my soul and my family. Everyone KNOWS what the modernists we’re trying to do. Tiempo: 48:37 Subido 28/03 a las 06:38:09 33794405 We read the Vatican docs for their original public meaning—that which was ratified by a vote—not their presumptive intent—which isn’t certainly ascertainable. I can’t do UNITY alone. Can we talk about that? It’s intolerable, It’s a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. Remember back last summer when the Supreme Court determined that, by parsing... Jesus sent his apostles on a mission that was impossible to accomplish... [book and purchase info.] but for all “negative” comments about them. But you’re not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. It’s destructive and wrong. Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. Don’t worry brother, No worries at all. I think you’re [Steve Skojec] closer to my position than Taylor’s since both of us won’t attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will… (5:20 PM), In the interest Christian unity, I’d like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that @TaylorRMarshall erred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven, I’m not a grudge holder. Dave’s position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. TnT joins ROP! He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz I’m not Trad enuf for biz expsn[.] Currently, he resides in … Gordon: “not material heresy. The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. I love dialogue; I care about Taylor; most of all, I love the truth. This post is the first entry to introduce my video series responding to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon on Fátima. They’re conceptually different, THIS is the real issue. It is fixable. It’s “intellectual.” Civil discussion is what’s needed and you won’t even respond to me, privately or publicly. Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). This is who they are now. NOT TOO LATE! Press J to jump to the feed. . The good part is that it’s NEVER too late to make up. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. NOT TOO LATE! I don’t think you get it. Friendly reminder that all top level comments must: start with "answer:" (or "question:" if you have an on-topic follow up question to ask). Truly care for him. I think you’re, closer to my position than Taylor’s since both of us won’t attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will…, In the interest Christian unity, I’d like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon sit down for long interview with Michael Knowles to talk Catholicism and Politics. Timothy Gordon replied on 4-13-20, at 8:36 PM and 8:54 PM: Agreed. Is there actually a breaking point? I’ve been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander, no pattern except that I wish them both well—they’re both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELL—spoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls. I don’t care about the business model. (4-14-20, 4:23 PM), I’m blocking the 3 Gordon’s because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. They are[.] Cuz the Church won’t clarify. (9:58 PM), Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. What’s obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism[.] (1:50 PM), That’s what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. They are, A) she’s calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. It was long overdue, though completely predictable. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldn’t be a call. I mean, have Taylor and Tim never heard of private messaging or text messaging? I await your reply, Taylor… It’s sophistical to claim (ever) that it’s too late for civility. I don’t care about the business model. It needs to stop. R4R is going to settle the debate in the coming weeks. I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. (3:43 PM), I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. Inb4 anyone does a Taylor Marshal and tone polices this blog, I want to point out that he’s the one who’s shooting at Catholics for no good reason and carrying water for George Soros. Sorry, Taylor! And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Dave’s tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil. Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIII’s IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis[.] They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. Justice demands that I set the record straight. (4-12-20: Easter Sunday, 6:25 AM), Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. (10:22 PM), Taylor, can you tell me in a sentence why SSPX is necessary when FSSP exists? Distinctions matter[.] People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months[. My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to the rebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. In the course of the discussion, Marshall commits public heresy and schism. Please disown that, For my part, I didn’t even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. In this video, Pope Francis Accused of 7 Counts of Heresy by 19 Scholars, Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon discuss the Open Letter accusing Pope Francis of heresy. The basic trouble with going far right on the ecclesiastical spectrum: radical right; radical Catholic reactionary, is how far right does one go? Seriously, watch it tonight with your spouse. (7:15 PM), My brand CANT be damaged by defending the ONE HOLY CHURCH against outsiders who claim my Sunday obligation isn’t fulfilled if I attend novus. That’s why. Also, send me the Catholic Newsletter and special offers. But again, has to involve all willing parties. I said nothing about you or your family on here and never would! It’s an important intellectual matter and it merits dispassionate debate. Look at what the Church says on the matter: [link] (4-12-20, 9:43 PM), Debating an issue is fragging? ‎Show The Counsel of Trent, Ep #224 – DIALOGUE: Can Christians be feminists? We have to be able to have discussion intellectually, w/o the fomenting of the emotions. Premiered Nov 21, 2018. Just gotta retry each day for unity. (4-16-20, 3:20 PM). 25:31–46), then Barron would look the part of a fool. (9:46 PM), No worries at all. (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communion—which is licit all things considered—but the apology for not just “inaccurate” statements about SSPX (which is great!) I went through a Taylor Marshall phase. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. Catholics are drama queens[.] Reaching out to a brother in Christ is ALWAYS good advice. Gotta be two-sided though. Will do whatever I can. Lefebvre voted for EVERY SINGLE DOCUMENT. Ego kills. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon There’s an unimagined gap between FSSP and SSPX, Honestly: All I care about is the truth. Timothy J. Gordon studied philosophy in Pontifical graduate universities in Europe (Gregoriana and Angelicum), taught it at Southern Californian community colleges, and then went on to law school.Currently, he resides in central California with his wife and four daughters, where he writes and teaches philosophy and theology. Brothers squabbling a bit is the inevitable cost of abandonment by our spiritual fathers; all of us have various talents, but none of us have authority to pronounce on theological questions. My brand CANT be damaged by defending the ONE HOLY CHURCH against outsiders who claim my Sunday obligation isn’t fulfilled if I attend novus. If anyone can enlighten me, that would be appreciated. Americans watch, and in many cases participate in the marches for social justice taking place in their communities, viewing them through the lens of their own experiences and biases. (4-14-20, 8:58 AM). *** I. One has the right to defend one’s reputation, For the annals of history: I didn’t “leave.” I was non-renewed against my wishes. (9:16 PM), Also for the record, I’ve never been certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity. I’ll continue to hope.). Everyone KNOWS what the modernists we’re trying to do. (3:54 PM), Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. Anyways, I kind of enjoyed these podcasts when I had the free time and was still learning about Catholicism, but as classes have ramped up, I admit to having stopped listening to a lot of them since I have very little free time now (I now listen to maybe a couple from Dr. Marshall here and there). I heard he was mad about some of them[.] PS: this isn’t a big deal. It covers the first twelve or so minutes of the podcast, which largely surrounds a discussion of Pope Leo XIII and the vision he had that led to his composing the prayer to St. … R4R is going to settle the debate in the coming weeks. 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